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enigmahack
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: Hypothetical thought experiment...

Okay, being a computer guy, I had this thought recently after I opened up my Kronos, upgraded the RAM, SSD, OS, blah blah... What is preventing me from buying parts and building one on my own? Again purely as a thought experiment, and assuming money was no issue at all, what's to stop me from buying every part I need, getting an Intel D525MW Motherboard, installing RAM, SSD, putting it all together and loading the OS? The ONLY thing I could think of is the MAC address (Public ID) and Serial number that you need to re-authorize your SSD when updating your Kronos. The Public ID isn't a big deal - Other users have replaced their motherboard before and the Public ID is nothing more than what looks like a MAC address. (I didn't check when I had it apart if the MAC address and the Public ID are actually exactly the same or not) The serial number is the only thing I'd be thinking about, but then if I've got a Kronos already, what's stopping me from using that serial number and generating a new authorization key? A second thought experiment: Since it's Linux that's being run, isn't it possible to dual-boot between Korg's linux and Windows or another version of Linux (Probably more suitable for the 800x600 screen) Again, not that I would do this unless I had A: Spare parts B: Spare time C: Spare (maybe broken) Kronos that I was experimenting with I think it'd be hilarious to see a Kronos that's actually running some KDE interface or something, though I understand much of the actual interaction is proprietary. Thoughts? _________________ Korg Kronos 88 2, Korg Kronos 73, Kurzweil K2600S Sound developer, custom sound designer and trainer/Kronos support - www.audora.ca for details!

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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Hypothetical thought experiment...

enigmahack wrote:

Okay, being a computer guy, I had this thought recently after I opened up my Kronos, upgraded the RAM, SSD, OS, blah blah...

What is preventing me from buying parts and building one on my own? Again purely as a thought experiment, and assuming money was no issue at all, what's to stop me from buying every part I need, getting an Intel D525MW Motherboard, installing RAM, SSD, putting it all together and loading the OS?

The ONLY thing I could think of is the MAC address (Public ID) and Serial number that you need to re-authorize your SSD when updating your Kronos. The Public ID isn't a big deal - Other users have replaced their motherboard before and the Public ID is nothing more than what looks like a MAC address. (I didn't check when I had it apart if the MAC address and the Public ID are actually exactly the same or not)

The serial number is the only thing I'd be thinking about, but then if I've got a Kronos already, what's stopping me from using that serial number and generating a new authorization key?

A second thought experiment: Since it's Linux that's being run, isn't it possible to dual-boot between Korg's linux and Windows or another version of Linux (Probably more suitable for the 800x600 screen)

Again, not that I would do this unless I had
A: Spare parts
B: Spare time
C: Spare (maybe broken) Kronos that I was experimenting with

I think it'd be hilarious to see a Kronos that's actually running some KDE interface or something, though I understand much of the actual interaction is proprietary.

Thoughts?

you are on your own. Copying or ' using 'proprietary material ?

I realize some are hard core DIY types . Its not what I do in my spare time.
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enigmahack
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:55 pm Post subject: Re: Hypothetical thought experiment...

GregC wrote:

you are on your own. Copying proprietary material ?

The proprietary stuff would be their OS, not copying it. I'm thinking about pure logistics, I would still need to order their chasis, keybed, screen, Audio I/O's, etc...

I'm just thinking of it akin to building a car from scratch. People do it all the time. Nothing morally corrupt about it, just curious what would the logistics and roadblocks be.
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Hypothetical thought experiment...

enigmahack wrote:

GregC wrote:

you are on your own. Copying proprietary material ?

The proprietary stuff would be their OS, not copying it. I'm thinking about pure logistics, I would still need to order their chasis, keybed, screen, Audio I/O's, etc...

I'm just thinking of it akin to building a car from scratch. People do it all the time. Nothing morally corrupt about it, just curious what would the logistics and roadblocks be.

this was attempted 3 or 4 yrs ago since some asserted the Kronos was nothing more than a PC.

1 poster in particular went into some detail. You should be able to find the saga.
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:07 pm Post subject:

The Kronos also has custom pcb & ic's etc.....not sure if they're available for purchase as individual items.

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enigmahack
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: Hypothetical thought experiment...

GregC wrote:

this was attempted 3 or 4 yrs ago since some asserted the Kronos was nothing more than a PC.

1 poster in particular went into some detail. You should be able to find the saga.

Cool, I'll take a look around.

Again, I have no interest in doing this (I'm looking to get a hold of the Kronos 2 when it's available) but more along the lines of what you mentioned: It's basically a PC, which is an area of interest of mine too.
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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:20 pm Post subject:

enigmahack Your first thoughts are commonly known and possible to be achieved by any advanced user. I can stand on your second thought theoretically that is more sophisticated and seems impossible to be achieved ! Considering that ATOM chipset can support Linux based Kronos OS (via Sub-System firmware) , Linux and Windows you could create an extra NTFS primary partition on SSD where you could install Windows f.e. , where you could handle the second boot option only entering in Intel bios via an extra keyboard connected directly on Atom mobo using also an extra VGA monitor connected in mobo VGA output , overriding Kronos OS. In that case , you have to manually program secondary SSD boot sector and work windows only via external monitor and keyboard/mouse , since Kronos screen has its own decoding code based on Sub-System firmware ! Although I see no point on this , yes I think it can be done ! _________________ Music Conductor - Sound Engineer & Developer - Automotive SMPS/RF R&D - Electronics Engineer PaSeries Demos - WavesArt.eu - KorgPa.gr <> Facebook Keyboards : Steinway-D, Kronos X, Pa5X 76, Pa4X 76, Montage M7 , Roland-XV88, Emu3,Emax II,Synclavier II,Yamaha DX Series, ΟΒ-8V

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Posted: Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:38 pm Post subject:

I just wish I knew what you were talking about I know where the power lead goes and the headphone jack _________________ https://m.youtube.com/user/1967runningman

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:47 am Post subject:

I think the cost to build your own Kronos would be outrageous. Too much proprietary stuff going on there. _________________ "To me the synthesizer was always a source of new sounds that musicians could use to expand the range of possibilities for making music." Bob Moog

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